I recently joined the Reformed Northwest Podcast for a 5-part overview of 1689 Federalism. I’d love to hear any comments/thoughts/feedback/criticism/disagreement you may have.
[Update: the mp3 links were previously broken but have been fixed]
- Ep. 24 – 1689 Federalism – pt 1: Introduction – What is Covenant Theology?
- Ep. 25 – 1689 Federalism – pt 2: The Covenant of Works
- Ep. 26 – 1689 Federalism – pt 3: The Noahic and Abrahamic Covenants
- Ep. 27 – 1689 Federalism – pt 4: The Mosaic and Davidic Covenants
- Ep. 28 – 1689 Federalism – pt 5: The New Covenant
7 thoughts on “Overview of 1689 Federalism on the Reformed Northwest Podcast”
Excellent podcast; I especially enjoyed the comments about Abraham scaring away the birds of prey. Very interesting.
LikeLiked by 1 person
I’ve been following closely your thoughts for some years now, and something in episode 3, concerning the Abrahamic Covenant, has puzzled me. I thought I read you saying somewhere, sometime ago, that Jeffery Johnson’s The Fatal Flaw was the most influential book upon your thought so far, though I can’t find that statement now. Anyway, in your recommendation of Recovering a Covenantal Heritage you present a good picture of Johnson’s chapter on the dichotomous nature of the Abrahamic Covenant. I’ve read both The Fatal Flaw and The Kingdom of God a while ago and Johnson takes a pretty firm stance on this point.
Now, on the podcast you have argued for an interpretation of the Abrahamic Covenant as being exclusively conditional, is that right? Is this a departure from Johnson’s thought? Or am I misunderstanding something? If it is a departure, I have two further questions.
1. Did Particular Baptists hold to your position in the 17th century? You quoted Coxe on the conditionality of the Abrahamic Covenant, but I believe you have some differences with his interpretation. Are there any other examples of a ‘one-fold conditional abrahamic covenant’ position?
2. Could you point to some other author/work that has presently being a great influence upon your thought?
Thank you very much,
Thanks for the question/comment. I think you may be misunderstanding something.
I don’t recall saying that Johnson’s book was the most influential book on my thought. It’s not/hasn’t been.
I have never entirely agreed with Johnson’s view of the Abrahamic or Mosaic Covenants. See http://www.1689federalism.com/2015-founders-conference-w-commentary/
With regards to the conditionality of the Abrahamic Covenant, note the Renihan’s statement in RaCH:
There are a variety of ways that 17th century antipaedobaptists expressed the Abrahamic Covenant. See my above link for quotes. For example, Tombes argued that it was a “mixed covenant”. Coxe argued that the Abrahamic Covenant = Covenant of Circumcision = Carnal, Conditional Covenant. I would recommend carefully working through this outline of Coxe http://www.1689federalism.com/interactive-outline-of-coxe-on-the-covenants/
Where I disagree with Coxe is that he argued the “second Abrahamic promise” (as I called it) that “in you all nations of the earth will be blessed” was actually part of the New Covenant/Covenant of Grace and not actually part of the Abrahamic Covenant. See https://contrast2.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/some-disagreement-with-coxe-on-galatians-317/
To be clear, I am not denying a dichotomous nature to the Abrahamic Covenant. I just have a slightly different understanding of that dichotomy than Johnson. If you haven’t finished the podcast series it might make more sense by the time you get to the end. I like the way that James Haldane expresses/explains the Abrahamic Covenant https://contrast2.wordpress.com/2017/06/06/klines-two-level-fulfillment-184-years-before-kingdom-prologue/
Ok Brandon, thank you for the clarification. I will go through (or go back) to those texts and reach back to you if necessary.
Hello again Brandon. Unfortunately these links are now broken. Do you happen to have recorded elsewhere? I tried to access them in many platforms, none worked. There’s a lot of great stuff there, I hope it doesnt get lost.
Sorry for the delay. I was able to get them uploaded somewhere else. Check the post for the updated links.
Thank you Brandon. It seems the server is back, I was able to download it again. Thanks for your service, brother.